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    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme Detailing View Post
    The thought has crossed my mind as I have seen plenty of bad wraps


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    yep me too - customer had one done and sent the car to us for some work afterwards - he rang me to ask how the wrap was - maybe it was the pause in my answering as he said Iíll be down at lunchtime 😂 company told him that the bubbles would settle after a couple of days 🤣

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    Itís an art, same as detailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme Detailing View Post
    Itís an art, same as detailing.
    and you do the first part already for ppf so maybe look to that as expansion

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    No desire there. Tim Phelps is my go to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extreme Detailing View Post
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    Coatings in my experience make the paintwork more slippery so they reduce the damage but do not stop
    It. PPF takes the hammering but can look fugly after a time. My biggest problem with PPF is their coatings, this is improving but up
    Until now I end up putting a coating on both them and naked paintwork.
    I do not see how any coating/wax can reduce stone chips - thatís just a fanciful marketing story. Easier to clean the car? Yes.

    And if you ceramic coat the bodywork, the film will not stick properly. There are rubber membrane coatings that work well on top with film.

    Self healing ppf film is pretty good at keeping decent appearance for a long time.

    I prefer to ppf the main impact areas but leave the rest of the car as ďnakedĒ metal, but can understand why so many are doing the whole car.

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    How much is a ceramic coat then Lee?

    I find the top end detailing prices just OTT given i can literally collect the car and it pisses down and the car is filthy again. I am more of a fan on nice work that is a sensible price and clean it more often. So for example, Topaz do my PPF but i wont use them to clean my cars on a regular basis as the prices are just silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedfreakdave View Post
    How much is a ceramic coat then Lee?

    I find the top end detailing prices just OTT given i can literally collect the car and it pisses down and the car is filthy again. I am more of a fan on nice work that is a sensible price and clean it more often. So for example, Topaz do my PPF but i wont use them to clean my cars on a regular basis as the prices are just silly.
    Dave I let Lee answer on the price as it depends on how long it should last. But I can tell you from personal experience now with several cars that have had the coating for the last two years. The benefit is several fold 1) Water does not stay as long on the car so the car will generally be cleaner - clearly if you are off roading then mud is not just going to fly off 2) From a cleaning perspective - any normal wash will bring the car back to its former glory. Frankly I never believed the hype until I saw the proof myself.

    Look at the videos on my page - you can see why it works. The key thing is how long it lasts since if it only lasts 6 months it is not worthwhile imo. But I have the 5 year version on one car for two years now and it looks the same after washing.

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    Ha ha - blatant reverse marketing!!! The old negative sell.

    I like PPF because I don't have to be as precious about cleaning the car, or who cleans the car. I pay a mobile valeter £30 to come to the office and clean the cars although it's a bit of a thankless task as by the time I get home down muddy dirty country lanes the fucker is dirty again. I think the paintwork shines amazingly with wax on the PPF - can't upload pictures on the site at the moment for some reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBakes View Post

    I like PPF because I don't have to be as precious about cleaning the car, or who cleans the car. I think the paintwork shines amazingly with wax on the PPF.
    That is one damn good reason for ppf, and wax works well for short term good shine. For long term shine try Max Protect UNC-R

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    Default Gtechiq Crystal Serum - a Detailers perspective

    Right, bear with me on this one, I am going to try and be non bias from a detailers perspective who looks after cars that have both PPF and Ceramic coatings.

    Both have their place; PPF will reduce stone chips, Ceramic will aid maintaining the car. If you are a lazy then Iíd strongly recommend PPF on the front facing parts that get hammered, ceramic on top including the applied film so you donít need to wash so often and ease tar removal. Oh and all on a silver car as it shows dirt and scratches less.
    Not all films or coatings are the same, there are some horrendous ceramic coatings that will last six months if you are lucky. There are PPF that will suck up the blood and guts of any dead bug it sees and look like a teenagers face within months. Films are catching up with their finish by the manufacturers applying a coating to the film prior, but they still bead poorly compared to top quality ceramic. Ceramic will not protect from stone chips but it will reduce the amount of valets necessary and make maintenance easier, Its a permanent wax. But if its not maintained you will reduce the life span of the product and end up washing the car much more frequently. I personally would give a quality ceramic coating three to four years before it will stop beading if looked after. Crystal Serum on cars I have maintained have given a good four years. Crystal Serum Ultra seems more durable but the longest I have had this on a car is six months and yes it still washes beautifully.

    PPF does benefit from having a ceramic coating on top of it but this is against most manufacturers recommendations. If you are to apply a PPF you must NOT coat that area first else it will cause havoc with the film. It is also better not to polish the paintwork prior to installing PPF as this can possibly leave product behind and reduce the adhesion of the PPF.

    These are my personal opinions and experiences, I have been shot down before for them by others but it works for me and my customers and I have been detailing for over a decade.
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